Reply from Invision Community ClassicOct 21, 2024
Hi Dallas,
Thanks for taking the time to leave a review.
I am always curious when I see a review full of emotion but little substance, making passionate claims without any examples or evidence, so I did look up your account to see if we've let you down or at least find some reason for this grievance.
I can see that you've been a customer since 2011 and have built up a very active community with around half a million posts with our community software, which you monetise through subscriptions, which is a great way to help support the cost of an independent community.
I am a little confused as I can see that you haven't been active in our community in over a year, and I can't see any other activity that would cause you to leave a negative review after thirteen years, but I'd like to address some key points in your thoughtful review.
"They are money-grubbers and goal post shifters." We sell a product and, over our 22 years in business, have indeed shifted goalposts. If we kept the goalposts in 2002, they'd be rusted scrap betwixt the grass. The product you can get today is different from what it was in 2002. Money "grubbers" is an emotive statement, but I think we sell a fantastic product at a reasonable price.
"They used to be great, but now you just can't trust them at all." Again, I need help with context. But I'll take an educated guess at what caused this review. We are currently in beta testing for Invision Community v5. This is a massive groundbreaking update to our platform that adds numerous new features and many technological changes. This new v5 product comes with a new license type that reduces the cost of the entire suite from $850 to $499. This license type changes the format of the renewals, which is very clearly explained to you, and you can then either switch your license and get v5 or keep your existing license and keep using v4. We think this is very fair and reasonable and not at all untrustworthy.
"Support is rude, and as others have said, they no longer even allow those whose support licenses have lapsed to even post on their forum." I disagree that support is rude, but if you have not renewed your license to get paid support, you will not get paid support. We can only offer you a service you have paid for.
It's a shame that you feel this way after thirteen years, and on a little more reflection, you may consider this review to be harsh and not reflective of the hard work our team puts in.
Thanks,
Matt, Invision Community.
To address the edited review:
"What has truly broken the camel's back for me is that I cannot believe the amount of bot sign-ups I am receiving since allowing the support to lapse."
As part of the license cost/renewal, you get our cloud based spambot registration filtering. Once your purchase period ends, then you will no longer have access to this paid service. (See: https://invisioncommunity.com/4guides/security-and-rules/spam-prevention-r9/)
We did remove the marketplace as it was costing too much to maintain, and arbitrate in all disputes, eat the cost of multiple chargebacks a day, time spent helping customers that had grievances with developers and so on. We removed our marketplace but invested more in tools and frameworks to help third party developers. There are now independent marketplaces, and third party developers are still building applications for both v4 and v5.
Finally there seems to be some confusion over the $199 purchase.
You currently own v4. This is, for you, $135 every 6 months. You've been paying this for years.
You can keep paying this if you wish for v4.
Now, you can get the new v5 license, that enables you to use v4 or v5, and it is $199/year. That's $71 less than you're paying now.
Either way, it's a choice, not a requirement.